I want to humble myself by admitting three mistakes in my taped message “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?” All of the events described in the tape did actually happen, but some of the details weren’t accurate. They are corrected as follows:
1. The story regarding prophecies that a woman should have her baby at home and the baby dying did happen; however, the prophecies occurred in a Kansas City Fellowship home group and were not given by a member of their staff. Again, the event was truth, but this detail was incorrect.
2. We have been able to document two churches that were taken over by Kansas City Fellowship, in which prophecy played a definite part. Ironically, the churches we have documented are two different churches than the ones indicated on the tape. The fact that they have used prophecy to close and/or take over churches is accurate; however these details are somewhat different.
3. The fabricated story that seven young people from Berean Baptist Church died--all in a six-week timeframe--is a complete lie; however, the details surrounding these deaths and the people involved are much more complex than those which were reported on my tape. Included in our documentation is a clear summary of these events. Again, the substance of what I said was absolutely true, but a few of the minute details were not correct.
I want to apologize to Kansas City Fellowship, not for giving fabrications or gross distortions--I did not tell any lies or grossly distort anything, but for the errors in some of the details contained on the tape.
Kansas City Fellowship’s response has been to try to dismiss all of our concerns as unsubstantiated and based on rumor or misunderstanding because of the inaccuracy of the above details. The facts are, however, that the situation in Kansas City Fellowship is much worse, and far more serious than that which was depicted on my original tape.
This above is perhaps the basis of the rumor that Gruen issued an apology for his book. Actually, this apology was IN his book. It hardly constitutes an apology FOR his book.
October 2, 2012 Subject:
Keep Seeking Truth - a few more leads
For those who are interested in spiritual depth and personal spiritual growth, a few other books may be of real help to you. [ Free in all formats, including PDF and Kindle]
For the issues of Today’s church, a few works about the Modern dangers of some of the excesses found in many the Charismatic or other groups may inform you about the origins, the roots, the theology and the implications of some of these new streams of spirituality, such as:
(( Please note that NOT ALL Charismatic or Pentecostal groups or churches are bad or teach errant doctrine. [some change or improve 4 the better].. However it is important to check on the details of where you worship, fellowship and learn, so that you can be sure that you are receiving sound doctrine (Titus 1:9 and not those in Tim 4: 3-4). ))
For the history of Biblical teachings, (also known as Doctrine), some of the works of George Stanley Faber (and others) may be of encouragement.
For those interested in the deeper background of the Old Testament scripture [ keep in mind that 40% to 60% of the New Testament is the Old Testament requoted]. Everything done in the New Testament is still being done in relation to the Old Testament. ( Note: Those who know almost nothing about the Old Testament section of the Bible would do well to start reading and re-reading both in the book of Psalms and the book of Proverbs).
--- concerning the Apocrypha --- (see also the section under versions, since the issue of versions [ which version of the OT – NT to use] also involves the issue of which books belong in the Bible [called Canonization]. Many books on versions therefore also deal with the issue of which books belong in the Bible, or which ones do not ).
The issues of the printing of the Apocrypha has been somewhat addressed in the following works:
For those interested in the issues concerning the Apocrypha (declared even by Jerome to not be part of scripture), the following books may give you some information and historic information:
The work of Scofield . and Darby . is beyond this posting. But their work . is sometimes presented as controversial beause of their success. and their [ orthodoxy].. (In other words, they lined up with the overwhelming majority of the historic doctrines of Christianity. Many still do not know this, simply bcause they have not read their works.)
For those who have an interest in the Geneva Bile or the King James,
The historic KJV (1611) version in English can be found [ here] . ; . A very good dictionary for the study of the English language is the work of Webster, dicionario [[ Volume 1 ]] . ; [[ Volume 2 ]] . ; .
This specific mention is not for those who want to believe conclusions WITHOUT evidence, or for those who simply want to believe that “ they ” are the lost tribes. The following accounts below [eyewitness acounts by scholars ] would be for those who are actually seeking truth, accuracy, and historic evidence, and cmparing that with a detailed study of scripture. These are eyewitness accounts about those who actually found the Lost tribes and spoke to them. These books should all be read together, if possible, as the contents each tell of different events.
History of the Karaite [non-talmudic orthodox ] Jews (1870)
As the Karaites affirm: Nothing with them is authoritative which is not Divine. God only is to them the fountain of authority. They profess a willingness to submit to Him, and to submit at any cost. This is the normal principle of Karaism. They state that they pay unbounded reverence to the Written Law of God, contained in the Old Testament. They utterly reject what is called the Oral Law, and is now contained in the Talmud. This is an interesting contrast to what passes for traditional Orthodox Judaism, which is very different from simply following the Old testament. This is not what orthodox Judaism is these days.
Today it has degenerated mostly into occult talmudic Judaism with the constant study of the Talmudic occultism [ which seems to have a rather close resemblance to much material found in The Two Babylons by Hislop] . In the same way that those in Islam should compare the characteristics of Allah with those of Almighty God, those who are Othodox talmudic occultic Rabbis should be willing to compare their worship of their “First Cause” with the God of the Old Testament.
There are many resources. here. If you are deceived or led astray, it is only your fault and you are the one to blame. We are each responsiblefor. our own spiritual path, and the information and learning we chose to epose ourselves to, or deny or ignore or postpone. Like everything else, your spiritual connection and walk with God is what You make of it. The Bible is filled with information. [ not disclosed or talked about in Churches]..You have to read the New Testament for yourself. [ the Gospel of John is a good place to start, and remember to use a good, histori and accurate version. It is not what you “theoretically” want to do, or wish to do, that counts. If you are deceived spiritually, what difference will it make, that you “were going to study” or you were “ going to learn” ? Will you be... any less deceived, because you were going to [in the future] actually invest the time in yourself to learn ???
Take the time and learn n-o-w, while you can.
Do you remember the words of scripture :
II Timothy 2: 15 Study [ STUDY !!! ] to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly [RIGHTLY] dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
II Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
Its what you actually [ ACTUALLY !!! ] do, what you actually[ ACTUALLY !!! ] study. Stop waiting for others to help you, and start helping yourself. The day will soon come when none of this may be around, and then all you will have is what you know, in your head, in your own mind.
Pray for yourself that you will wake up from your coma, that you would have a love of God, a love of His true and authentic Word (Bible), a deep desire to study the Word, and that God would show you how to have the spiritual and personal inner strength for these times. Pray that you would not waste your time, but that you would value and do what God wants you to do and value., and that HE would help you find the answers you are looking for.
What people MUST believe about God, in order to find Him and why Faith in God is neccessary ------- Hebrews 11: 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
To restate the obvious:
YOU = “ he that cometh to God “
1) that he is, [ That God exists] , and
2) that he is a rewarder of them that diligently [ DILIGENTLY !!! ] seek him.
Luke 21: 8
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
II Thess 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness ... because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
( what did they receive not ? This means that there is something that certain ones chose not to receive. What is that ?? )
Example: what they often don’t talk about in church:
Titus 2: 1
2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
7 In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
10 Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Obviously, the links will only take you to the pages for the Free PDF. What you download is your choice.
October 1, 2010 Subject:
Change of Web Link for Ernie Gruen's Documentation